Separating "Intensity Groups" and other use of faders

[kwelch007]

Hi all,

So, I have 7 midi-control knobs that I'm not using. One thing I would like to do is use 1 to selectively control the intensity of my back-lighting (obviously master intensity would override it, but I'm already using another knob for that.) What I can't seem to figure out is how to assign an intensity control to a specific set of fixtures and ignore the rest...is this possible, or am I overlooking something? Seems like somehow I should be able to assign a "group-intensity" to a knob, but can't figure it out.

Also, even if I do this, I still have several knobs free. What would you folks use them for? I use cuelists for most of my moving stuff, so I'm not worrying about pointing lights or whatever...it just seems like a waste to not be using those knobs.

Thanks!
Kendell

[Spirit]

i'm not sure what you mean.

Useing Master intensitie on a Knob? do you use Fade-in, Fade-out, All 0%, All 100%

But you can create Groups and than use Blackout group buttons to Black out the Fixtures that are inside that Group...


Stil i recommend the Submasters. because you can use the SM.Intensitie to Controll the dimmer from the Fixture that are recorded on the specific Seq you Run....or use differnet SM.list to have direct controll of the Groups of fixture's.


/spirit

[kwelch007]

Spirit,

Yes, I use a knob for master intensity (may as well be a fader, but I have knobs.) I do it because the band I work for wants me to fade out at the end of songs. It's also handy when I do other bands that do songs such as Violent Femmes "Blister in the Sun" where the song gradually goes real "low" and then blows up...real handy.

The SM's don't do what I'm looking for (too LightJockey'ish)...this takes too much attention...I'm commonly mixing and doing lights at the same time, and don't have time to manage multiple SM's for lights. I need one button/knob/fader to reach for.

I think the best solution would be the ability to "group" lights for intensity/speed. AKA, speed groups and intensity groups, and have a way to assign them to keyboard/MIDI control. I''m going to recommend this in the appropriate forum.

Thanks!
KDub

[Spirit]

hi again.

i have been thinking about you reqeust and totaly forgot a new Feature on FS.


but you like to Control the Intensitie and Speed for Groups of Fixtures..
Read realy carefull.

you Use the Cuelist buttons.
With on cuelist button you can playback 20 Seqeuences.
Use the Sequences as Groups.
SO.. (Example)
Seq1= MH Intensitie
Seq2= MH MOV
Seq3= Color
Seq4= gobo
Seq5= led Intensitie
Seq6= Led RGB chase
Seq7= Sunstrips
Seq8= Parcans
Seq9= Other
Seq10= Other

Now save a Cuelist buttons this way..
now you have differnt groups
MH
LED
Sunstrips
Parcans
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Now you can allready control the speed with the TAP SYNC or with the Seq. Speed slider 1~20

- now open the submasters
- Press on the COG wheel
- go to LAYOUT
- press "20 Faders"

now you can use the Intensitie sliders form the Submasters on the CUE window..
Fader 1 is used for the Movingheads intensitie
Fader 5 is used for the ledpars
Fader 7 is used for the Sunstrips
Fader 8 is used for the Parcans..

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This is just a Example if you explain your setup then i can made some other example for you.

AND!! you can only do this with Slider and all the functions can be found for a Midi controller.

/spirit

[kwelch007]

Firstly, thanks for your efforts!

I have 16 PAR-64 LED's, half of which I use as front-lighting, and the other half as "moving" back-lighting. I also have 4 moving heads (yokes) and a number of DJ style lights, and a blinder (which really has nothing to do with this conversation.) They are already in Fixture Groups (aka, "Front", "Back", "Yoke," etc.) I understand that I _could_ use SM's to do what I want, but it seems it would be a lot more simple if I could simple assign an intensity and a speed to each "Group" individually, subordinate to master intensity.

I realize that FS SM's are attempting to emulate the way LightJockey "stacks," but I hate LightJockey and "stacking." Why don't we do something new that actually has logic behind it? I'm capable and willing to help.

Thanks!
Kendell

[Spirit]

hi again but as i sad READ REALY CAREFULL..

i do not talk about the submasters..
i just sad you can use the Intensitie slider FROM the submasters. and use them on the CUE(list)

and i gave a example how you can create your cuelist in such a way you can Create groups with your Sequences and controll the Speed and Intensitie from each Seq.(Group) separate.

and your Group intensitie and Speed seems realy logic only FS doesnt change the Speed/intensitie from a Fixture, but from the Sequence/Chase you made.. sound realy logic to me..

I realize that FS SM's are attempting to emulate the way LightJockey "stacks," but I hate LightJockey and "stacking."

theres one thing we agree with is LJ sucks...
only i think the SM's are great as it gives you Allot of Freedom to play with you lights..
only if you dont have the Time to play with your light, the Cuelist buttons are briljant..

/spirit

[buttza]

So I was wanting to use my sliders similarly.

I have slider 1 for master Intensity.
Slider 8 for Master Speed.

I wanted Slider 2 to be my front wash slider. So it would control a Dimmer.

I created a sequence with Fresnels @100%
I then created a cue with that sequence in it.
I then added that Sequence to Submaster 20.
I added a midi note to SM20 Intensity.
I added a button to Run SM20.

When I click the run button nothing shows until I hit push up slider 2. Good.
When I Pull down slider 2 the wash goes out. Good.
2 seconds later it comes back on my itself. Bad.

I know this is because the loop option on that SB20 Cue is on loop. If I select play once it will only play one but then I lose midi control of that option.

I am running cue buttons to control the lighting rig. Any ideas on how I can get better control with just the front wash intensity?

Thanks.

[kwelch007]

Now that I've re-read Spirit's comment, I think that his idea will be easiest...took it a week to digest. SM's would work too, but that's not how I want to do it...thanks all!