Submaster problem, need some help...

[Robin_N-Zone]

Hello guys!

I mentioned in another thread that I had some problems with submasters on my LED bars, and first I thought that it was a simple "forgot the intensity" problem, sadly, that wasnt the case...

The problem is as follows: When I use submasters, I dont get any output to my LED bars or my LED par cans. The indicator on each fixture on the screen shows the correct color and intensity, the intensity slider on the submasters are at 100%, but the light dont turn on.. I can see in the Show Output window that Freestyler dosent send anything on the relevant channels..

I programmed the scenes with only the correct channels active, I test them first when I make them in online mode, then the work perfectly,then I load them into the Cue, and start them there, still works perfectly, I save a Cue, say for only Red for the ledbars, no other channels are programmed, only Red channel is set to Fade, programmer is in Transparent mode (I´ll doublecheck that, but 99,999% sure)
And when I load the Cues I´ve made in to a submaster, and start it, I simply dont get any output.. I can see that the sequences are running, both in the submaster and in the Cue window, and the correct thing is happening on the screen...

The only channels that are programmed are colorchannels for the ledbars and Intensity for the par cans.

But my submasters work for my scanners, and I think, for my lasers, both Intensity channels and other.
If I have a cue for the ledbars loaded in a submaster, other sequences for the ledbars doenst work if I try to start them from the cue. And I belive that the same thing happens even if I have say cues for the scanners loaded in submasters, and the submaster window open, and try to start a ledbar sequence loaded directly to the cuelist.

This feels very strange to me, it should not work this way I guess?
I tried it at a show I did this friday, all my sequences were made for submaster use, but I had to run with just the Cuelist.. not very practical

Also, I made sure that the ledbars and parcans were in the correct mode, and that the relevant channels werent in any override mode. and well, it worked when I made the sequences, and as soon as I gave up SM´s and closed that window, it worked fine, without any other changes..

Please, can someone help me get this sorted? I´d really like to be able to use the SM´s, feels so much more flexible! Even more so I think when running many and many different lights at the same time, live.

btw, I´m running the latest stable version of Freestyler, on a Win 7 computer.

[Spirit]

Hi
Can you upload a back-up so i can take a closer look at it.
/spirit

[Robin_N-Zone]

Hi Spirit,

Sure, I´ll read up on how to do a backup, and upload it later tonight when I´m at home. Does the backup include all fixtures and everything you need? Maybe selectable? I´ll look in to it later:)
Thanks for your kind offer:)

//Robin

[Spirit]

You can find back-up under "file"
And a backup file should save everything i need
/spirit

[Robin_N-Zone]

Spirit, sadly I didnt have time yesterday to make that backupfile, I was working on my speakerbuild until well after midnight, they need to be ready for a gig on friday... But I´ll try to get it done today:)
Seems like more people are having similar problems with intensity channels in submasters..

[Spirit]

hi, again

just like to say me and the devolper have workt HARD! the last 6months to let the Intenisitie slider next to a Submaster Work Perfect!

i also tried i again with 3 differnt Fixture's
1)Parcan
2)Ledpar Only RGB
3)Ledpar RGB and Intensitie channel

And all three Differnt configurations works how it should be PERFECT!
i'm also using the Submaster and i like to have it work Perfect so if there i something wrong the Devolper will know that Asap!
tested on FS 3.4.8 the latest stable version....

/spirit

[Robin_N-Zone]

Hi again Spirit!

I do belive you about the hardwork! Thanks!
I hope its me doing something wrong or missing some setting or such, then I should be an easy fix.
I finally got the time to do the backup, so its attached here. It looks like the backup included all sequences I have made, but not all are used in the current setup. Not perfectly organised yet

I also run the latest stable version. 3.4.8, on a Win 7 laptop, with the Enttec Open dmx interface, and I use a Behringer BCF 2000.

Thanks for looking at it Spirit!
Oh, btw, I havent made Cue/submasters for all attributes for all lights, but I cant see that makes any difference?

//Robin

[Robin_N-Zone]

Hmm, uploading the backup file.. maybe the forum cant handle 11mb files? Should the backups be that large? not that many sequences, maybe a hundred if even that.

Spirit, you asked what RGB segment fixture I use, its the Stairville RGB 252 LEDbar, with my own fixture profile, I´ve made one version with RGB segments, and one (2) where I have 4 fixtures for one ledbar, as we´ve talked about before, one for Mode and Strobe, and 3 for the RGB segments.

I put the backup file on my google drive, heres the link https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8yhy6 ... 0o3cWNMQkE

Thanks again Spirit!

//Robin

[Spirit]

Hi again.

i have taken a quick look at it but the first thing i noticed is the Ledbar 252 you made it with 11 Channels.
but if i look at the PDF it says 12 channels?
http://images.prolighting.de/manuals/51930420.pdf

And about the Backup yes it can be that large because it saves realy everything.
Fixture file's + icons / All the Sequences / all the Cue list / Midi settings.

and i also use a Windows 7 Laptop + touchscreen, Bcf2000 and Enttec pro
and i did yesterday a show and it seemd to work fine. just one little bug but thats a feature you people dont have at the moment..

/spirit

[Spirit]

oke and i think i noticed a Bug on the Shutter channel from the Scan.
but that needs a better look at it.
i also find if you create a Sequence with a Intensitie channel and you put it on SNAP then it also not seems to work.

[Spirit]

here take a look at this backup.
http://www.freestylersupport.com/wiki/e ... e_test.fbf

i Made everything empty and stared all over again.
this is a Basic show how i would make it.
so take a close look at how i made the sequences.
and all the Submaster with the name "Scan dimmer", "Led 64 dimmer" , "Ledbar dimmer" and "Led bar chase" you need to drag the slider next to the submaster before it takes effect
also i changed the Led bar a little bit because i added on extra channel to the Controll fixture.
so you need to Repatch the last Ledbar again

and as i do not have the Fixture my self i just looked at the Showouput window and it just seems fine.

/spirit

[Robin_N-Zone]

Thanks for your effort Spirit!
But, I dont have the Eurolite LEDbar, I have the Stairville LED bar 252 RGB DMX, and I´m quite sure it only has 11channels Atleast that what the manual says, and well, never had any problems running 4 of the with 11 channels each

I´ll try your backup file, hopefully it works better for me I know full well that I havent mastered submasters and all that yet, so I really what to learn. Did you find any obvious error I made? I do belive that all my sequences for both LED par intesity chases and the RGB channel chases were made in Snap, I think thats what the FX engine does as standard, atleast with the FX that I used.

/Robin

[Spirit]

Yes your right about the Ledbar
so do not look at that example i made them wrong,
or forget the First channel and it will be good

and about the Snap and Fade this depant on the Channel if you use the Atribute windows.
freestyler should add the correct Fade or Snap type to the channel.
Shutter, Color, Gobo, GoboRot, Prism should say "SNAP"
Intensity, Focus, Iris, Pan, Tilt, Red, Green, Blue should say "FADE"
and a closer look at the "FX" it allways puts on "FADE"

But it was all little difficult to see if some of the Sequences where made wrong.
because i'm not realy good at your language therefore its hard to see what the Sequence should do.
but just take a closer look at how i did it.
and if you like to run the sequence as Snap i recommend to Enable "Disable fades" on the Cue window.

And yes the submaster can be realy difficult if you dont understand what you can do with it.
as i learn it from a real lighting guy on the Avolight Pearl.
but if you understand it its realy nice to use its realy flexible.

/spirit

[Robin_N-Zone]

No problem Spirit:)

Sadly I cant get the backup you made to work.. or even the one I made myself, I just get an errormessage, it says: Error occured while restoring backup
I have no idea why.. First I tried to open the backupfile you made for me while it was in my normal download folder, then I moved it to the Freestyler backup folder, but no change, still doesnt work, and my own doesnt work either. I tried both with a location loaded, and without..
Strange..

But I´ll try and make a sequence with the Intensity or RGB channels in fade mode. But I do think I had them as the FX made them, I dont think I changed it to snap.. But I´m rather sure they were made in snap.

Yeah, I really want to use submasters, it seems like to only logical way to use Freestyler;) atleast now when I´ve had a glimpse of what it can do As you may have seen I´ve made a lot of sequences, and I cant see any other way to use more then 20 in a simple way. Btw, is it possible to increase the number of sequences in the que? I dont really want to make sequences that affect a lot of different lights and attributes, atleast not only sequences like that, I can see a good use for that sometimes:)

I tried using the cue buttons to load a lot of sequences at ones, but well, it just starts all of them at once, not really what I want to. I´m gonna have to continue trying different ways to use the software.
Sadly I usually dont use the same light setup at more then one gig, since we mostly do rentals for others events, and well, different events wants diffrent setups, and we like to variate what we bring and how we rig it even on the monthly clubs we do