STUD LED

[mattjake4]

Hi. I have a difficult light that needs to be controlled via freestyler.

Here is the manual:

DMX CHANNELS: 7 DMX Channels: #1=Blue, #2=Green, #3=Red, #4=Gradual Color Change, #5=Speed of Color Change, #6=Strobe, #7=Dimmer.

#7 MUST BE AT FULL in order for channels 1, 2, or 3 to work. Its like the master for the light.

http://www.stageape.com/pages/114stud.html

It is kind of difficult for me to create this figure. Can someone help me? Thanks.

[Mattotone]

Should be fairly straight forward to get a simple profile working. Il walk you through it.

Open fixture Creator click on other
type in the manufacture and fixture name
when you click the fixt. picture you can select a picture from the side list led Par63.GIF seems to be a good choice.

now for total channels type in 7 as thats the number of channels the unit uses.

click enable cmy/rgb and click RGB Values

red 3
green 2
blue 1

now goto Strobe ch. and enter 6 now for the off low med and high your going to have to experiment as the manual does not give these values.
off will be 0
high will be 255
so
low may be 80
med may be 160

at the top of fixture creator click on Channel descriptions
this is not really needed but will help you identify what channels do.
so channel
1 Blue
2 Green
3 Red
4 Gradual color change
5 Speed of gradual change
6 Strobe
7 Master Dimmer

This can be as complicated as you want to make it.
This will currently give you RGB control of the fixture. To use the inbuilt functions you would use the sliders in freestyer to set the values.

OR you can make Macros as presets for this job.

here's a macro for selecting RGB mode (Acording to your manual channel 7 has to be at full.)

so click MACRO and then Add
leave all the box's blank apart from ch.7 which you set to 255 in the picture box id use Rainbow.bmp

click file save give a good name. and then load up Freestyler and add your new fixture.

[jonny b good]

Strange to have the RGB in Blue, Green, Red order !?!?!?!? Never seen that on any fixture !!!!!!

Also those are not the channel descriptions for that light according to the cheaplights.com website for the same product, which was mentioned by mattjake4 in another post asking about a fixture for this light.

Here are channels according to that website.
DMX 512 (7) channels CH 1-7 Strobe, Dimmer, Chase, Red, Green, Blue, Speed. Channels 2, 4,5,& 6 work from the top down.

Go figure !?!?!?

Looks like you have to have dispswitch 10 on for DMX control and thenn the rest are used to set the address. Possibly, maybe, who knows, no proper manual !?!?!?

[LJ_krede.dk]

Strange to have the RGB in Blue, Green, Red order !?!?!?!? Never seen that on any fixture !!!!!!

in the venue where i do some voluntary work, we have LED's all around the bars, which can be controlled by 3 DMX channels. as the STUD light it is BRG... but it don't make any sense? It is not cheaper to make it that way.

[mattjake4]

If you look at the 59 dollar price, it makes sense. Yes, its very cheap and the instruction manual makes no sense to what the light does.

Thats why im asking for a thing for the light to work with freestyler.

[jonny b good]

I have created two fixtures based on both sets of channel descriptions.

I have not done anything with the chase or speed controls in either fixture profile but you can use the faders on the right to control them if needed then work out good values for them and add to macro screen or gobo/colour wheel !!!!

DMX CHANNELS: 7 DMX Channels: #1=Blue, #2=Green, #3=Red, #4=Gradual Color Change, #5=Speed of Color Change, #6=Strobe, #7=Dimmer.

Stage Ape STUD LED PAR (1).pff

DMX CHANNELS: 7 DMX Channesl: #1=Strobe, #2=Dimmer, #3=Chase, #4=Red, #5=Green, #6=Blue, #7=Speed.

Stage Ape STUD LED PAR (2).pff

Quick way to check is to use the Macros for setting the colours.

[Mavi]

Perhaps it is just that they read from right to left in the country the fixtures are produced. So RGB tunrs out as BGR

[mattjake4]

I actually already got the LED STUD To work with the first person that posted instructions!

Ill download yours and see if its better! Thank you so much!

Also, my blackout button seems to do nothing. Could it be disabled or something?

[Mavi]

If you do not have set an intensity channel the blackout would not work. Blackout does only set the intensety channel to 0. Or is there something different with RGB fixtures? If so someone please correct me!

[mattjake4]

Well when i hit blackout it turns off the LEDS and one of my scanners that require you to go to the bulb section and click on. My moving head bulbs are always on so in order to black those out you need to turn the gobo wheel to 0. Can i somehow set the blackout button so it turns all values on all channels on ALL fixtures to 0?

[Mattotone]

There is a way to trick Freestyler to add blackout to your gobo wheel.
I think jonny b good knows how to achieve this.

[jonny b good]

Well when i hit blackout it turns off the LEDS and one of my scanners that require you to go to the bulb section and click on. My moving head bulbs are always on so in order to black those out you need to turn the gobo wheel to 0. Can i somehow set the blackout button so it turns all values on all channels on ALL fixtures to 0?

With PAR Cans the dimmer(intesity) is used to blackout.
With RGB LED Par Cans it will either be all three colour channels or a dimmer(intensity channel) to blackout.
Most fixtures that do not have dimmers use the shutter to blackout.
I have not seen turning the lamp off to blackout, not saying it's not true, but just have not seen it before.
I have seen like your moving heads where the gobo wheel is used as a blackout.
FreeStyler uses both or either the shutter or intensity to control the blackout depending on the fixtures definition(s).

Tell us what fixture you are using for your MHs or export and upload the fixture and I will have a look at it for you.

I do truly wish that manufactures of lighting fixtures would stop using channels for multiple uses, makes it extremely difficult for software and hardware console to effectively control lights in a meaningful and consistant way. Normally this is only a problem with "cheap" fixtures, because they are trying to make them as cheap as possible.

[jonny b good]

...Can i somehow set the blackout button so it turns all values on all channels on ALL fixtures to 0?

Short answer no.

Not sure if there is a way of creating a scene/cue that sets all values to zero and stops all other scenes/cues etc from running. I am sure soemone else will be able to answer that.

I have asked on the forum, but maybe I should send a message to Raph about the possibility of assigning a macro to be used for blackout purposes.

[LJ_krede.dk]

1. you can use the favourite button to set all channels to zero when activated, and return to previous values when deactivated.

2. You can make a override button to set all channels to zero when activated, and return to previous values when deactivated.

3. You can add par fixtures for all the channel you want to control by the blackout function

4. for your movingheads where blackout is assigned to the gobo channel (and dont have a shutter channel), you can edit the fixtures using fixture creator by setting the shutter channel to same channel as gobo, and setting the close value to zero. --> when activating blackpout the movingheads should blackout. when blackout is deactivted the gobo channel should return to preveous value

5. if the moving heads have an intensity channel, you can edit the fixtures using fixture creator by setting the shutter channel to same channel as intensity, and setting the close value to zero. --> when activating blackpout the movingheads should blackout. when blackout is deactivted the intensity channel should return to preveous value. that allow you to change gobo while in blackout

[mattjake4]

The fixtures im using:

LED STUD
AMERICAN DJ SPOT 250
AMERICAN DJ SCAN 250
AMERICAN DJ DYNASTY SCAN

[mattjake4]

1. you can use the favourite button to set all channels to zero when activated, and return to previous values when deactivated.

2. You can make a override button to set all channels to zero when activated, and return to previous values when deactivated.

3. You can add par fixtures for all the channel you want to control by the blackout function

4. for your movingheads where blackout is assigned to the gobo channel (and dont have a shutter channel), you can edit the fixtures using fixture creator by setting the shutter channel to same channel as gobo, and setting the close value to zero. --> when activating blackpout the movingheads should blackout. when blackout is deactivted the gobo channel should return to preveous value

5. if the moving heads have an intensity channel, you can edit the fixtures using fixture creator by setting the shutter channel to same channel as intensity, and setting the close value to zero. --> when activating blackpout the movingheads should blackout. when blackout is deactivted the intensity channel should return to preveous value. that allow you to change gobo while in blackout

that may work, do you have instructions?

[jonny b good]

1. you can use the favourite button to set all channels to zero when activated, and return to previous values when deactivated.

2. You can make a override button to set all channels to zero when activated, and return to previous values when deactivated.

3. You can add par fixtures for all the channel you want to control by the blackout function

4. for your movingheads where blackout is assigned to the gobo channel (and dont have a shutter channel), you can edit the fixtures using fixture creator by setting the shutter channel to same channel as gobo, and setting the close value to zero. --> when activating blackpout the movingheads should blackout. when blackout is deactivted the gobo channel should return to preveous value

5. if the moving heads have an intensity channel, you can edit the fixtures using fixture creator by setting the shutter channel to same channel as intensity, and setting the close value to zero. --> when activating blackpout the movingheads should blackout. when blackout is deactivted the intensity channel should return to preveous value. that allow you to change gobo while in blackout

that may work, do you have instructions?

They are the instructions !!!!!!!!! Gee, biting my tongue

[jonny b good]

The fixtures im using:

LED STUD
AMERICAN DJ SPOT 250
AMERICAN DJ SCAN 250
AMERICAN DJ DYNASTY SCAN

In Fixture Creator

For Blackout to work on the American DJ Spot try this,
Put 4 in Shutter ch. put 1 in open and put 0 in closed

For Blackout to work with the American DJ Dynasty Scan try this,
Put 4 in Shutter ch. put 1 in open and put 0 in closed
Put 5 in Strobe ch. put 0 in off put 50 in low put 150 in med put 255 in high.

Should not have to use the lamp on/off now (not a good thing to keep doing).

The reason I only put 1 in the Open is I do not know what you want a default gobo for when the "shutter" is open, so I leave it as 1 and keep it blacked out. You can always change it if you so want, especially if you use the locate feature.

Sorry I cannot add pictures as I am not at home so have no ability to do so from here.

[jonny b good]

There is a way to trick Freestyler to add blackout to your gobo wheel.
I think jonny b good knows how to achieve this.

No trick required, just add the gobo channel/values to the shutter fields

Yes I did a hack for a smoke machine to be able to use the blackout function so it did not keep on pumping out smoke.

[Mattotone]

There is a way to trick Freestyler to add blackout to your gobo wheel.
I think jonny b good knows how to achieve this.

No trick required, just add the gobo channel/values to the shutter fields

Yes I did a hack for a smoke machine to be able to use the blackout function so it did not keep on pumping out smoke.

Yep that one slipped past me.....Reading your posts was like.Doh i should of thought of that.

[mattjake4]

Wow. For the forum like this I have never had this type of amazing and quick responses. I got it all fixed and blackout is working. Im so pleased at the moment with freestyler and your forum. This is the best customer service I have ever had, even for a FREE PROGRAM.

I made some ques and it works great, now i have a few questions that have to do with theatrical stuff.

1. When i play a cue with slow fading and stuff, in little steps, and then i go into the next one and all the lights are flashing, and then i go to the next one and it does play the next cue BUT the strobes continue to flash. The only way to turn off the strobes is click each light individually and deselect the strobe. When its time for a show i cant have strobes going and i cant be manually turning them off. Am i programming something wrong? Thanks.

2. For the joy stick option, how can you use it to move around the moving head. I plugged mine it and selected it from the options but it didnt work, so i have to set something else up?

3. Can i use a midi controller for this and have it control something?

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[LJ_krede.dk]

1. When i play a cue with slow fading and stuff, in little steps, and then i go into the next one and all the lights are flashing, and then i go to the next one and it does play the next cue BUT the strobes continue to flash. The only way to turn off the strobes is click each light individually and deselect the strobe. When its time for a show i cant have strobes going and i cant be manually turning them off. Am i programming something wrong? Thanks.

yes, it sounds like you done have programmed the valueas for the strobe/shutter channel in the last cue you mentioned. open the sequece in the sequence editor and make sure that the strobe/shutter channel is recorded so there is a "Snap" butoon for the channels. I would not recommend "Fade" becase FS would fade all shutter values to the programmed value.

3. Can i use a midi controller for this and have it control something?

You can do everything with midi. go to Setup --> Freestyler Setup --> External Control --> Midi Control... here you can see all functions you can assign to a MIDI controller. functions marked with blue is intended to be assigned to faders and/or rotary encoders.

[mattjake4]

hmm it seems that its already set to snap? Could something else be wrong?

[mattjake4]

hmm. Well here is what is going on.

The first que is colors. The second que is the strobes. The third que is blue. But when it goes into that one it continues to strobe. Then when I go back to que 1 it still continues to strobe. Why is this?

[Mavi]

Do you have "run multiple cues" in FS setup enabled? If so I think the strob is not turned off in the other cues so it continues. Solution one: turn off strobe in cues where it should not flash. Solution two: disbale the option to run multiple cues at the same time if you only need to rune one cue at a time.