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Hi,

I'm still quite new to Freestyler so I'm still getting my head around a few things, there is probably nothing wrong with my Freestyler and it will be probably the way I've got it setup, so I'd be grateful if somebody can point me in the right direction.

I've got two different types of lights, I've got some par cans and 4x moonflower effects, I've gone ahead and created various sequences for the different types of lights. My idea is to do the sequences in the transparent mode so my moonflowers don't interfere with my par cans, for example I can run a sequence for my par cans and if I wanted to switch on my moonflowers I'd press play on a different cue button. I ended up making lots of sequences for both type of lights so there wasn't enough space on the cue sheet to fit them all on, To get round this I ended up creating two cue sheets, one called Moonflowers and the other called Par Cans. I thought great this will work, but I encountered a problem. Say if I press play on the first sequence in the par can cue list it will also play the first sequence in the moonflower cue list at the same time, I'm often playing different cues depending on what music is playing, I just want to be able to switch between the different cue lists and play different sequences on loop.

I've done a bit of googleing and found this article on Submasters, will this fix it and is this the best way to control my lights on the fly?
http://www.freestylersupport.com/wiki/p ... _submaster

Oh and another quick question, the override buttons, there only seem to play the first step from a sequence, is this the normal behaviour?

Anyway a big shout going out to the developer brilliant software and love the fact its free

I thought great this will work, but I encountered a problem. Say if I press play on the first sequence in the par can cue list it will also play the first sequence in the moonflower cue list at the same time

can you explain this a little bit more.
How do you play it back with CUE, Cuelist or Submasters.
How you setup the CUE.
Because it sound a little bit strange.

I've done a bit of googleing and found this article on Submasters, will this fix it and is this the best way to control my lights on the fly?

Yes the submaster will work perfect for you i think.

Oh and another quick question, the override buttons, there only seem to play the first step from a sequence, is this the normal behaviour?

Yes override buttons will only play the First step of a Sequence. (Only Shapes with multipule Step will work)

/spirit

biggus,

The Submasters is definitely the answer to your problem and alot of other folks. The Submasters give you so much control and mixing / blending.

Since you already created the cues you wanted, now open the Submaster and click on "Open Cue". Drag the Cues into each of their own Submaster. Now you can run the different Cues for separate lights and they won't effect each other. If they do, then when you made your sequences for the Cue, you did not have the other light's channels set to "off". Of course, if you built scenes in your sequence that changes both lights, then they will change accordingly in the submaster.

The Submaster is very powerful once you understand how it works in relation with the Cue window. In some instances, you may have to go back and tweak your sequences and/or Cues, but the end result is all worth it.

Good Luck!

SD

I agree with shannon D.
The submaster works realy nice, with some Secrets Feature's you need to understand.
Like with all the Sequence You have LTP Per Fixture Channel.
But with the Intensitie/Dimmer Channel you Have HTP per Fixture Channel.

Per fixture channel depant on the Channels you have set to Off or Fade/Snap on a Sequence.

How you setup the CUE.

I create a sequence in the normal way by changing the gobos etc and saving it then clicking the button "add to cue list" Once my cue list was full I created a new cue list and added more sequences.

can you explain this a little bit more.
How do you play it back with CUE, Cuelist or Submasters.
How you setup the CUE.
Because it sound a little bit strange.

Hi, I'll try make it a bit more clear, I'm currently play the sequence back by using cuelists (I didn't know what submasters where until yesterday) I've made two cuelists as there wasn't enough space to fit all my sequences on just one. To make it logical I made one cue list called moonflowers and one called par cans so I can control the different sequences for the different lighting effects from the different cue lists, however for example if I press play on cue number 2 on the moonflowers cue list then I switch over to my par can cue list as I want some par cans on and press play on cue 6 it will also automatically play cue number 6 on the moonflowers cue list as well but I wanted that to stay on cue 2 as I previously set it. note: I'm using transparent cues.

Ahh Yes i though it was a Bug but it isn't this is realy normal.
Because you can only run Sequence's From one CUElist. if you use the Cue to playback your sequences.

With the Submasters you can Run 20 Cuelist at the same time, Only you can Run on Sequence from One Cuelist at the Time.

so playback with Cue:
you can playback 20 Sequences at the Time from ONE Cuelist.
playback with Submasters:
you can playback 1 Sequence at the time from One cuelist.
Only you can Fill the Submaster up to 20 Cuelist so you can still Playback 20 Sequences.
And next to a Submaster you also have a Intensitie slider, this slider controll the Intensitie from a Sequence thats Played. this works on a Intensitie/Dimmer channel and On the RGB channels !!if the Fixture doesnt have a Master dimmer!!.

Only you need to see everything as a Atribute.

Like if i Fill the Submaster to Controll a Movinghead and pars it looks Something like this. (SM = Submaster)
Sm1: Intensitie
Sm2: Shutter
Sm3: Pan
sm4: Tilt
Sm5: Shapes
Sm6: Positions (Static)
Sm7: Gobos
Sm8: Colors
And some more if the fixture gots more.
All can be made out of Chases or Static Values. Only Not Sm6 thats ONLY static values.

And with the Parcans if you use like 4bars so you have 4 Differnt colors, it looks something like this.
Sm1:Color 1
Sm2:Color 2
Sm3:Color 3
Sm4:Color 4
and all can be made out of Chaes or Static Values.

And now you can Mix all the Submaster.
So if i have made 4 Sequences in all the Cuelist and i control the Movinghead i Have 9 Submaster with 4 sequences in each submaster, so i can make 4x4x4x4x4x4x4x4x4=262144 differnt combinations with the Moving heads. It's a figure of speech.

i hope this make sense.
But i never used a Moonflower otherwise i used that as example.

/spirit

Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to respond, it looks like submasters is my answer as at the moment, I've got my first few cue buttons controlling the roations and pans etc of my moonflowers and then the rest controlling colours looks like I need to get them into submasters. I'm getting my light rig out tomorrow so I'll test it then and report back. hope I get it working how I want it.

Hi thought I'd report back. I used submasters for the first time live the other night and yes it worked how I liked it. I wish the submaster screen was a bit bigger so its eaiser for selecting squences but yes it worked well.. thanks for your help all.

on another note I had a gig at the weekend and the venue had some sort of cheap fogger can't remeber the model. Since I don't have a fogger at the moment we decided to borrow it, I found when I plugged it in it caused my lighting DMX signal to crash, lights wouln't pick up any dmx singal, I had to reboot my lighting PC and unplug the smoke machine to get it working again, wierd. I know these things can put all sorts of rubbish into the mains. Think i'll stay away from these cheap things now and I'll be buying a Martin/Jem Magnum 2000 or such likes when I can afford one.

Good to hear your working with the Submasters successfully!

I would suggest checking out the MBT HZ-300 haze machine. I bought one almost 2 years ago and love that thing. I filled up the unit to the full mark the day I got it and I still have not had to add fog juice!! Very low consumption on juice and the hang time is unbelievable. No big puffs of smoke. It puts out an even layer of haze in the room. The Antari HZ-300 is the same exact unit, but it sells for over $600. The MBT sells for a lil over $400.

Cheers!

SD

Yes nice to hear everything works
And yes everybody Wishes that the submaster Window is Bigger.
But allot of poeple have ask this to the Devolper, But with no luck.

But I use the Antari HZ-400, also a Nice Haze machine, No Heater so if you plug in the Power its Ready to use.
a High Output for a Low Power comsumpsion just 500 watt.
Only a Bad thing is that the Fog juice is oil based so after a Night useing the Hazer you and up with a Pool of Oil on the ground..
But cardboard does the trick to keep it clean.

/spirit

My HZ-300 uses oil based haze fluid and I have never had any pools or drippings from this machine. I can't even find a trace of oil residue on my drums, lights or any other gear after the machine running 4+ hours on a gig.

Yes, no heater to wait on heating up. It uses a high pressure pump. Power it up and press the button. Instant haze. The pump does make some noise, but if DJing or the band is playing, you won't notice it.

FYI - I couldn't find MBT oil based haze fluid as recommended in the manual. I use the American DJ oil base fluid in mine.

Sorry for hi-jacking the thread.

SD

i got 2x HZ-400 from a vanue that buy other one's because the air treatment needed to be cleaned 4 times a Year!
So i have them Realy cheap and they have Realy nice new waterbased Smokemachines.
and i also got 10 Fluids of 10Liters from them. and the Pool of Oil depant on the area i am, so somethimes it small and i dont need allot of Smoke and No pool, and a other time its big and they Run continuous and then i have a Real recognizable Pool.

/spirit

Spirit wrote:Yes nice to hear everything works
And yes everybody Wishes that the submaster Window is Bigger.
But allot of poeple have ask this to the Devolper, But with no luck.

But I use the Antari HZ-400, also a Nice Haze machine, No Heater so if you plug in the Power its Ready to use.
a High Output for a Low Power comsumpsion just 500 watt.
Only a Bad thing is that the Fog juice is oil based so after a Night useing the Hazer you and up with a Pool of Oil on the ground..
But cardboard does the trick to keep it clean.

/spirit

Is that a 'Cracked Oil' hazer ?