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helllo

i have two flash buttons. 1 for the strobo and 1 for strobo effect on the movingheads.
Thats works fine only when i push button 1 on my bcf 2000 and push the same time button 2 then is button 1 toggel on now i push putton 1 twise and then he´s toggel off.
When i push putton 2 and then button 1 on the same time then is buton 2 toggel on.

When i push the button not on the same time then its works fine, its only on de berhinger and not on my pc keyboard.
So i can´t never use the strobo and the strobo efect on the same time.


Help me

Daan

press one and then the other

I do that en then toggel button 1 on. i want use dat buttom as flash button on the same time as button 2.

Daan

Think im misunderstanding your english, you are wanting two flash buttons?
is freestyler setup as flash buttons and is your BCF setup to flash and not toggle?

Sorry for my bad english

Yes the bcf button is toggel off and fs button is a flash button.
I have the same problem when i use the shift button.

If i push the shift putton en then a other button then is the shift button is toggel on, i must put de shift putton twise to toggel off.

Daan

if it helps post in your native language too there maybe others who can help!

Ok dan maar zo, mischien kan iemand dit vertalen want ik weet niet hoe ik het moet uitleggen in het engels.

Ik heb het volgende probleem
Als ik bijv. twee flash knoppen indruk via mijn bcf 2000 dan blijt 1 van die twee knoppen aan staan als ik de knoppen los laat.
Als ik bijv mijn blinder en mijn stroboscoop gebruik dan blijft één van de twee aan staan.

Ik kan die dus nooit tergelijk gebruiken.

Dit probleem heb ik ook met de multislect knop en de shift funktie
Druk ik bijv de shift knop in op de bcf en dan een andere knop dan blijft de shit knop aan staan.

Ik heb de bcf op toggel off staan, dus dat is het niet.
Gebruik ik de sneltoetsen op mijn pc keyboard dan heb ik geen probleemen

Kan iemand mij helpen of is het een bug in fs

Daan

Hello

I have my text written in my native language and translates with Google translation help, I hope that it is now better understood as best a difficult problem.

I have the following problem
For example, if I flash two buttons impressed by my bcf 2000 will remain 1 of the two buttons on, if I leave the buttons.
If I eg my blinder and my stroboscope use remains one of the two.

I can therefore never simultaneously.

The problem I have with the multislect button and the shift function
As I press the button on the shift bcf and then another button will remain the shift button.

I have the bcf on toggel off, so it is not.
I use the shortcuts on my PC keyboard then I have no probleemen I can be two keys simultaneously.

Can someone help me or is it a bug in fs

Greeting Daan

Hi,

My native language is also Dutch, so I tried to simulate your described problem.
And you're right: if 2 flash buttons on the BCF2000 are pressed simultaneously, one of them remains activated when released.
I tried some combinations, but it is always the first pressed flash button which remains activated when a second flash button was activated simultaneously.
When the first button is pressed and released once more, everything is back to normal.

To my opinion this problem has nothing to do with the BCF2000 settings, as the flash buttons work nicely independently.
This could have some unpleasant results when the first flash button pressed was e.g. the blind function of my strobo: if the blind function is used for more than 2-3 seconds, the strobe lamp will get destroyed...

I also tried the combination of toggle buttons: to toggle on 2 buttons simultaneously, is never a problem. But if you try to toggle off 2 buttons simultaneously, the first pressed button remains toggled on, although the LED is off.
And again if this button is toggled on and off again, everything is back to normal.

I'll make a bug report...
Greetz

Hoi

That is exactly the problem what I mean.
Unfortunately, it is difficult to explain.

I have been a loose numerically usb keyboard purchased.
This is in addition to the bcf

This work fine too.


Greetz Daan

(Translated with google translation help)

Hi,

today I wanted to program a little Freestyler configuration for some Movingheads. I planned to create some flash groups. That means: by pressing a button on the BCF, a number of movingheads should go instantly to a dimmer value of 100%. By releasing the button, they should go to 0% again. So i programmed 2 buttons on the BCF as flash-buttons (toggle off) and assigned them to some override-buttons in FS which held the according scenes.
With keyboard shortcuts everything works fine.
But: i can't mix these flash buttons while using the bcf2000, because if i hold one button on the bcf and press another while still holding down the first one, than the first one stays active, even if it is released. So what's the problem? It's impossible to avoid mixing the buttons in a fast light show

Best regards, Chris

I'm curious if thats not an issue with the BCF itself?
Maybe FreeStyler has nothing to do with that, it could be the design of the BCF. Just like some computer keyboards can't scan more dan 4 keys pressed at the same time under some circumstances.
Maybe you can test that in a way without using FreeStyler and document your findings here. If FreeStyler is the source of the problem, then make an exact description (like you did already) and post it as a bug. Somewhere on this forum is a bug report form.
If you do a precise description of the problem, then de developer can pick it up much easier.

just a thought could you not set up a third flash button to flash the strobes and the moving heads together. problem solved.

I was thinking the same thing as Richard from the very first post in this thread. Freestyler or a controller may not do exactly what you have in mind, but there is usually some work around to accomplish the same out come. Just program a third flash button that has the first two combined.

Yeeej, first post of the long awaited Richard.

There is a downside to it. I often use blinders left and right of the stage, control them seperately via the override buttons.
So I assign one button for the left and one button for the right. I also assign a button for both. But, I always find myself never using the 'both' button, but just press both L en R blinder buttons. Why? Because I like to flash fast L,R alternately with sometimes both on at the same time. Then I don't press the 'both' button, but both buttons. (complex, is'nt it? )
I can imagine that this way of work, so to say, is used by more people than just me.

And if the BCF2000 has that kind of 'limitation' (or bug), then I'll be dissapointed in it. Still, as a workaround it would be good enough.

Too bad that morpheuss never responded to my previous post. It would have make sure if the problem was in FreeStyler, or not.
So maybe someone else with the same BCF2000 can try something similar?

Edit:
Did a little title fix of the topic.

Yep, over here another Dutchman who is poor in English (translated with Google translation)

I have a BCF-2000, and the same problem. When I press 2 buttons simultaneously, the first button remains activated (on the BCF, the lamp is off).
I did not care and I have used the buttons of my keyboard to use the override buttons (I use the buttons for such blinders, strobes, acl). On the bcf, I already deficit buttons .

I would like to test whether the problem is at the BCF or at freestyler, but how do I do that?

Thomas wrote:Yep, over here another Dutchman who is poor in English (translated with Google translation)

Gezellig

I would like to test whether the problem is at the BCF or at freestyler, but how do I do that?

Hook the BCF up to any other midi controlled software package and try.

I think I have the problem sorted: I use a Korg nanoKontrol to control FreeStyler, there I can press 2 buttons simultaniously and release them without any problems.
So I guess it then is confirmed that the problem is to be found in the BCF2000 rather than FreeStyler or drivers.
And for that: I doubt that this can be solved in the BCF2000, as these kind of problems are most of the time hardware related, not software.
Still its worth a try to see if (there is any?) firmware upgrade for the BCF 2000?

It works just fine on a BCF2000.!!

I have set up 2 buttons as overides in flash mode, BCF buttons set to 'toggle off' (this needs to be done in the syx)

I hit both buttons at the same time and both overides run correctly at the same time. No problem!

In theroy there is no reason why it would not work. Its only like holding down 2 notes on a keyboard and a bcf is really only a programmable keyboard that cant make any noises.

(more reasons to crack on with the bcf / midi tutorial me thinks!)

There was a problem in the earlier versions of Freestyler, but Raph fixed some issues for a while ago,

Hi,

I use freestyler not a lot, so I did not notice that this problem with the BCF already had been solved! I've just tested this and there are no problems anymore that buttons remain activated.

Thanks for the tip!

Greetings, Thomas